Compact discs

**Harpoon** · 10-13-2008, 03:58 PM

if you wanted to match what the recording industry(music) uses what would you get ? 650 mb? 700mb? what?

**PorkChopSandwiches** · 10-13-2008, 03:59 PM

I would imagine 700, that's the biggest

**Harpoon** · 10-13-2008, 04:00 PM

What is the industry standard?

**PorkChopSandwiches** · 10-13-2008, 04:06 PM

I don't know, but I would imagine 700, but then they only use as much space as required. What are you trying to do?

**Harpoon** · 10-13-2008, 04:14 PM

I need to match what the industry uses for consistency.

**Meursault** · 10-13-2008, 04:20 PM

A standard audio CD used to be 74 minutes or 650 megabytes. Apparently a lot of older players cannot handle the 80 minute / 700 MB disks that came out in the nineties.

Legend has it the 74 minute limit came because the bosses of SONY and Philips wanted to make sure a certain Beethoven symphony wouldn't have to be split into two discs. But apparently the truth is that that was all they could cram on a 5 inch disk early on.

**Harpoon** · 10-13-2008, 04:22 PM

Like my 2000 Camry stereo Meursault..

**Meursault** · 10-13-2008, 04:26 PM

Aha. So you may want to think of a few settings on the CD burn program - there ought to be a switch to make it respect the "book type specifications" or something like that, to make sure it complies with most CD players. Don't bother with the "special for Audio CDs" blank media though, they#re a rip off.

**Harpoon** · 10-13-2008, 04:27 PM

I dunno.. I've been using Nero..

**Meursault** · 10-13-2008, 04:34 PM

OK, Nero definitely has a compliance option like this. The problem is that they moved it around quite a bit from version to version. Usually if you use the "regular" program instead of the express or wizard version, you get to set a lot of options right before you start the actual burn process. flip through the tabs of that options menu, there ought to be something helpful in there.

**Harpoon** · 10-13-2008, 04:39 PM

interesting... I'll check it out.. Thanks!

**Meursault** · 10-13-2008, 04:42 PM

anytime

Purplepony · 10-13-2008, 10:35 PM

Are you copying CD's you already have? Or burning out mp3's?

If it's the latter the consistency issues aren't the size of the disk but more likely the bitrate of the downloaded file.
Uploads are often at a 128 bitrate to safe space/time uploading, unfortunately you lose a bit in the quality. They say 160 is hard to hear any differance from full CD quality and a 320 bitrate is probably the closest you will find in an mp3 file to cd.

**Harpoon** · 10-14-2008, 12:01 AM

.mp3's to a cd for the car..

Noilly Pratt · 10-14-2008, 05:49 AM

For the car, I find a sample bitrate of 128mbps for MP3s acceptable. There's road noise, and other things that will drown out any real differences between higher rates.

If I'm really wanting to intensely listen to the music, or as you say want to make it as true to the compact disk as possible, you should use 320 as a setting, or use MP3s that have been created at that level.

At that point most people would not, given that it's a good "burn", be able to tell the difference between the original source CD, if that was what the source originally was.

Have you ever intently listened to "Along the Watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix? The initial guitar sound, sounds a bit unclear and "processed" somehow. It is actually the recording engineer overdriving the signal to the mixing board and it has this compressed sound. Same thing was done with the Beatles' "Ob La Di O Bla Dah" bass line. Well, that "washy" sound is similar to how an MP3 can unintentionally sound if you listen to it at a lower bitrate.

10-13-2008, 03:58 PM	#1
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Compact discs if you wanted to match what the recording industry(music) uses what would you get ? 650 mb? 700mb? what? __________________ .

10-13-2008, 03:59 PM	#2
PorkChopSandwiches Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Online Posts: 52,109 Thanks: 6 Thanked 446 Times in 182 Posts	I would imagine 700, that's the biggest __________________ A Teabelly Original

10-13-2008, 04:00 PM	#3
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	What is the industry standard? __________________ .

10-13-2008, 04:06 PM	#4
PorkChopSandwiches Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Online Posts: 52,109 Thanks: 6 Thanked 446 Times in 182 Posts	I don't know, but I would imagine 700, but then they only use as much space as required. What are you trying to do? __________________ A Teabelly Original

10-13-2008, 04:14 PM	#5
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I need to match what the industry uses for consistency. __________________ .

10-13-2008, 04:20 PM	#6
Meursault Le Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Old Europe Posts: 39,032 Thanks: 141 Thanked 90 Times in 36 Posts	A standard audio CD used to be 74 minutes or 650 megabytes. Apparently a lot of older players cannot handle the 80 minute / 700 MB disks that came out in the nineties. Legend has it the 74 minute limit came because the bosses of SONY and Philips wanted to make sure a certain Beethoven symphony wouldn't have to be split into two discs. But apparently the truth is that that was all they could cram on a 5 inch disk early on. __________________ sick sig courtesy of teabelly!

10-13-2008, 04:22 PM	#7
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Like my 2000 Camry stereo Meursault.. __________________ .

10-13-2008, 04:26 PM	#8
Meursault Le Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Old Europe Posts: 39,032 Thanks: 141 Thanked 90 Times in 36 Posts	Aha. So you may want to think of a few settings on the CD burn program - there ought to be a switch to make it respect the "book type specifications" or something like that, to make sure it complies with most CD players. Don't bother with the "special for Audio CDs" blank media though, they#re a rip off. __________________ sick sig courtesy of teabelly!

10-13-2008, 04:27 PM	#9
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I dunno.. I've been using Nero.. __________________ .

10-13-2008, 04:34 PM	#10
Meursault Le Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Old Europe Posts: 39,032 Thanks: 141 Thanked 90 Times in 36 Posts	OK, Nero definitely has a compliance option like this. The problem is that they moved it around quite a bit from version to version. Usually if you use the "regular" program instead of the express or wizard version, you get to set a lot of options right before you start the actual burn process. flip through the tabs of that options menu, there ought to be something helpful in there. __________________ sick sig courtesy of teabelly!

10-13-2008, 04:39 PM	#11
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	interesting... I'll check it out.. Thanks! __________________ .

10-13-2008, 04:42 PM	#12
Meursault Le Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Old Europe Posts: 39,032 Thanks: 141 Thanked 90 Times in 36 Posts	anytime __________________ sick sig courtesy of teabelly!

10-14-2008, 12:01 AM	#14
Harpoon Sailing the seas of Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Down by the river Posts: 36,579 Thanks: 46 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	.mp3's to a cd for the car.. __________________ .

10-14-2008, 05:49 AM	#15
Noilly Pratt Ω sweet Ω Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SW Canada Posts: 4,049 Thanks: 22 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	For the car, I find a sample bitrate of 128mbps for MP3s acceptable. There's road noise, and other things that will drown out any real differences between higher rates. If I'm really wanting to intensely listen to the music, or as you say want to make it as true to the compact disk as possible, you should use 320 as a setting, or use MP3s that have been created at that level. At that point most people would not, given that it's a good "burn", be able to tell the difference between the original source CD, if that was what the source originally was. Have you ever intently listened to "Along the Watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix? The initial guitar sound, sounds a bit unclear and "processed" somehow. It is actually the recording engineer overdriving the signal to the mixing board and it has this compressed sound. Same thing was done with the Beatles' "Ob La Di O Bla Dah" bass line. Well, that "washy" sound is similar to how an MP3 can unintentionally sound if you listen to it at a lower bitrate. __________________

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