Could China be Cheating to Win Gold

[Wyeast]

Yeah, master race. Where women are clean shaven men. Except in gymnastics where they're 12 year old girls with padding on their hips under their leotards.

[Harpoon]

Im a little lost though.. Is the GDR reference a reference to winning at all costs or what? Im not the best History guy...

[Meursault]

Originally Posted by Harpoon

You mean like some sort of master race?

Originally Posted by Harpoon

Im a little lost though.. Is the GDR reference a reference to winning at all costs or what? Im not the best History guy...

Well, in the GDR they ran a highly professional state-controlled sports program. That included above-board aspects such as a nationwide grid of schools where talented kids could practice sports on near-pro level while still getting an education, a network of workshops and labs where they achieved various breakthroughs in terms of gear optimization, biomechanics and training structures. But the distinctive trait of the GDR sports system was a ruthless doping machine where they employed hundreds of scientists to improve drugs, find agents to mask the use of these drugs, simulate doping controls so they knew who would be caught...

A lot of the market-leading drugs of the seventies and eighties were either developed in the GDR, or they were the first to use them in sports. Anabolic steroids, growth hormones, blood transfusions enriched wih haemoglobin etc. etc. etc. They hardly ever got caught because they tested all their athletes before they'd enter competitions. Anyone who'd fail a test would suddenly withdraw claiming some minor injury.

Plus, they kept a lot of the athletes in the dark about what exactly they were fed, telling them they were given vitamins and dietary supplements, or they'd fool them with fake diagnostics of some disease requiring regular injections.

Estimates of casualties go into triple digits, not to mention loads of people with psychological disorders.

The punchline: Most of these doctors and coaches were fired in 1990. Some managed to creep back into the sports system in re-united germany, most of the others found new jobs in china and eastern europe.

So even if that makes me sound like a conspiracy nut, I suspect that things are pretty much the same today and the players are merely smarter in hiding it. No near she-male javelin throwers or pimply 30-year olds, they have moved on to subtler stuff.

[AnthemZ]

The Olympics are the prime example of fraud, scandals, and propaganda! And they always have been! The judging competitions have always been fixed, from ice skating to the water ballet and most of all the boxing! They tried to fix that with a stupid button that the judges must press when they see a good punch, and when all the buttons are pressed at once, a point is scored. In So. Korea, there was an American boxer that was beating the HELL out of the "European Amateur Boxer of the Year" if I remember right, I think he was German. They were saying that the fight needs to be stopped because the guy was bleeding from his mouth and eyes!! The guy was staggering around the ring while the American was beating senseless (And scoring no points). Then the guy was still a couple points down, and the commentators said the American will win easily on points then, if they don't want to stop it! Then the guy started to score points over and over?? Getting points for punching at the air!! And he won!! He needed to be helped because he couldn't even walk. The famous boxing writer Burt Sugar from Ring Magazine, said that was the worst example of a fixed fight he's ever seen! And he'd seen a lot of them!

But this was the grand daddy of fixes!

1972 Controversy at Munich Olympics

The gold medal game between the United States and Soviet Union remains very controversial to this day. With a 49-48 lead, the Soviet team committed a hard foul on USA player Doug Collins with three seconds left. Collins made two free throws to put the U.S. up 50-49, and the Soviets inbounded the ball quickly. Referee Renaldo Righetto of Brazil stopped play with one second on the clock. USSR coach Vladimir Kondrashin had attempted to call time out between Collins' free throws and it was awarded.

After the inbounds pass, the final horn sounded, signifying the end of the match, and the United States players and coaches celebrated their victory. However, the head of the FIBA, Renato William Jones, found that the clock had been set incorrectly and ordered that the clock be reset to three seconds, the time that was on the clock when Kondrashin tried to call time, as opposed to one. Jones would normally have no authority to act during a game, but his reputation was such that the referees felt they had no choice but to comply.

The Soviets inbounded the ball for a third time, and this time Alexander Belov scored a lay-up winning the game for the Soviets, 51-50, winning them the gold medal. It was the first loss for the United States in Olympic basketball competition.

The members of the United States team have remained bitter over the outcome of the game ever since.[2] They refused to accept the Olympic silver medals during the ceremony and appealed to a five-judge panel. The panel was composed of members from Hungary, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Italy and Poland. The appeal was rejected by a 3-2 vote was, along Cold War lines (Puerto Rico and Italy voted to uphold the appeal, while Hungary, Cuba and Poland voted to reject it). When asked about the game, Jones was quoted, "The Americans have to learn how to lose, even when they think they are right."

Even when the International Olympic Committee approached the U.S. players about thirty years later to see if they would accept the medals, all of the players still refused them. The medals remain in a vault in Switzerland to this day. At least one U.S. player, Kenny Davis, has stipulated in his will that after his death, his heirs are forbidden to ever accept the silver medal in his name.

[Harpoon]

I just dont understand why people cant just enjoy the spirit of competition.. I think I understand what Germany may have been doing though, trying to portray the image of a master race?

[AnthemZ]

This was another story from Korea!

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OLYMPICS Officials Suspended For Events in Seoul




AP
Published: March 20, 1989

LEAD: The International Amateur Boxing Association imposed two-year suspensions today on five judges and referees accused of inefficiency and not officiating in accordance with international rules at the 1988 Olympic Games. Five South Korean boxers and officials involved in a brawl during the Games were also given two-year suspensions.

The International Amateur Boxing Association imposed two-year suspensions today on five judges and referees accused of inefficiency and not officiating in accordance with international rules at the 1988 Olympic Games. Five South Korean boxers and officials involved in a brawl during the Games were also given two-year suspensions.

Thirteen other officials, also accused of not officiating in accordance with international rules during the Seoul Games, were suspended from officiating in the world amateur boxing championships at Moscow in September, Anwar Chowdhry of Pakistan, the Association's president, said.

''We have to punish these officials for contravening the regulations during the Olympic Games boxing tournament in Seoul,'' Chowdhry said at the end of a meeting here. ''There were a lot of complaints as a result of poor officiating, and A.I.B.A. cannot allow it.'' Jones Appeal Rejected

The 118-member association also dismissed an appeal by the United States Amateur Boxing Federation seeking a reversal of the decision by which a gold medal was awarded to Park Si-Hun over Roy Jones of the United States in the light middleweight final.

The United States federation claimed a Moroccan judge, Hiduad Larbi, one of those suspended for two years, had falsified his scoring, costing Jones the victory.

Before the medals ceremony, Park told Jones that the American should have been the winner.

''It's not the guy's fault,'' Jones said. ''He told me he was sorry and that he lost the fight, but that the judges gave it to him.''

Later, Jones was named the outstanding boxer in the tournament by the international federation's executive board.

''I think it was unfair,'' Chowdhry said at the time. ''Unfortunately, in boxing we have been having bad decisions in every international tournament.'' Filed Too Late

Chowdhry said the appeal was dismissed because it was not filed within 30 minutes of the fight, in accordance with Olympic boxing regulations. But even if the appeal had been filed on time, it would not have been entertained for lack of evidence, Chowdhry said.

The five South Koreans were suspended from A.I.B.A. events for two years for attacking a referee, Keith Walker of New Zealand, after a South Korean lost a 4-1 decision to a Bulgarian.

In other matters, Chowdhry said the A.I.B.A. would introduce a new five-round, two-minute bout system as opposed to the present three-round, three-minute bout system during the world championships at Moscow.

Chowdhry said computer scoring would be introduced at the world championships.

The A.I.B.A. reaffirmed its stand not to allow professional boxers into the Olympic Games.

''The Olympics is for the amateur sports and we have decided not to bring professional boxing into it just because other international sports bodies have done it,'' Chowdhry said. ''We want to remain amateurs.''

[Meursault]

Originally Posted by Harpoon

I just dont understand why people cant just enjoy the spirit of competition.. I think I understand what Germany may have been doing though, trying to portray the image of a master race?

Nah, the East Germans had little interest in the race business, they wanted to prove their point that communism was the superior way of life. Their coming in first or second in the medal ranks from 1976 until 1988 was a source of enormous pride for the communist party, their propaganda fellers had a blast with the results telling people they were proof of how decadent and wussified the west was.

[Harpoon]

Isn't it funny how all things come full circle in due time?

[Meursault]

yeah, I do think that history repeats itself. Not always, but much more often than I'd care for.

[Harpoon]

I was more making light of how the image East Germany was trying to portray was foiled and they looked stupid because of it..

[Meursault]

Oh, that, I misunderstood you then. but I still agree. Maybe at some point the chinese effort to dominate olympic sports will come back to haunt them as well.

[Harpoon]

Its gay... There is no master race or country...

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Originally Posted by Harpoon

Its gay... There is no master race or country...

Well played sir, well played...keep them in the dark

[Harpoon]

Lovely...

[Meursault]

Originally Posted by Harpoon

Its gay... There is no master race or country...

If you look at it rationally, surely not. But if you want to rally millions or billions of people behind a tyrannical government, it's a clever move to tell them they are the best in the world by birth...that usually goes down quite well.