The Bear is back: Russia is an enemy again - Page 8

**Meursault** · 08-13-2008, 06:34 PM

Sure, that's anyone's guess.

Did you know he has a cousin to the name of Gladstone Trunk?

**Nemowork** · 08-13-2008, 08:04 PM

Donald and Gladstone Tusk?

Now there are a couple of names that belong in Sherlock Holmes or hunting Tigers in the Raj.

Can i take it he's got some English history?

deepsepia · 08-13-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemowork

Donald and Gladstone Tusk?

Now there are a couple of names that belong in Sherlock Holmes or hunting Tigers in the Raj.

Can i take it he's got some English history?

He seems like an interesting guy. He's a "Kashub" a Pomeranian slavic ethnic group from Eastern Poland-- apparently this is the source of the name "tusk", which doesn't sound particularly Polish to my ear.

According to the Wiki bio, his father was also named "Donald" and was born in 1930-- "Donald" is a rather exotic name for a Pole, and would have been particularly so in 1930. Given the date and the Gladstone reference, I'm going to guess that its in tribute to Ramsey MacDonald.

treesmoke · 08-13-2008, 10:27 PM

Morbid Curiosity, not sure how this Russia looks back on it communist past. But wasn't Stalin a Georgian?

**Nemowork** · 08-13-2008, 10:43 PM

Yep, theres some good photos of Georgian tanks parked under a Statue of Stalin in Gori, he was born there and probably had his first arrest there for robbing banks and molesting goats and however else he filled in his time.

So was Lavrenti Beria the head of the NKVD (later the KGB) one of the worlds grade A scary people and a notorious paedophile, basically when the KGB came for your daughter you let them or your whole family ended up digging salt in Siberia.
Russians seem to have mixed feelings on Stalin, rather along the lines of 'he was a mad b*stard but he made the country great' and they want the glory days of Communist power back. With money and DVD players and the cool capitalist stuff of course and none of the Gulags except for people who really deserve it.

deepsepia · 08-13-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by treesmoke

Morbid Curiosity, not sure how this Russia looks back on it communist past. But wasn't Stalin a Georgian?

Yes, Stalin was born in Gori, the town which we're talking about.

From Putin's point of view, Stalin would be a "Russian" hero-- even though he came from Georgia.

Its the same way that the French think of Napoleon. Corsica was at best "kinda French" -- but Napoleon was accepted by the French as a Frenchman.

**Meursault** · 08-14-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by deepsepia

He seems like an interesting guy. He's a "Kashub" a Pomeranian slavic ethnic group from Eastern Poland-- apparently this is the source of the name "tusk", which doesn't sound particularly Polish to my ear.

According to the Wiki bio, his father was also named "Donald" and was born in 1930-- "Donald" is a rather exotic name for a Pole, and would have been particularly so in 1930. Given the date and the Gladstone reference, I'm going to guess that its in tribute to Ramsey MacDonald.

If I remember correctly, german nobel price for literature laureate Günter Grass is from Kaschub descent as well. They're one of the very few remaining groups of historic slavic people that were sort of ground to dust between the predominant german and polish cultural masses.

The Gladstone reference actually came from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladstone_Gander

I take it you were a lukewarm disney fan at best when you were a kid?

**Nemowork** · 08-14-2008, 03:37 PM

So is this a suggestion of a Mickey Mouse government?

**Meursault** · 08-14-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemowork

So is this a suggestion of a Mickey Mouse government?

that, and their strategy was damn goofy, too.

08-13-2008, 06:34 PM	#106
Meursault Gimme Shelter Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Old Europe Posts: 37,358 Thanks: 137 Thanked 89 Times in 35 Posts	Sure, that's anyone's guess. Did you know he has a cousin to the name of Gladstone Trunk? __________________ sick sig courtesy of fricnjay!

08-13-2008, 08:04 PM	#107
Nemowork Whats a safety catch? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mobilis in Mobilii Posts: 24,639 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Donald and Gladstone Tusk? Now there are a couple of names that belong in Sherlock Holmes or hunting Tigers in the Raj. Can i take it he's got some English history? __________________ “A wise man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation.” Moliere "You do the unseemly behavior, I'll handle the moderation" - Nemo

08-13-2008, 10:27 PM	#109
treesmoke Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,586 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Morbid Curiosity, not sure how this Russia looks back on it communist past. But wasn't Stalin a Georgian? __________________

08-13-2008, 10:43 PM	#110
Nemowork Whats a safety catch? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mobilis in Mobilii Posts: 24,639 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Yep, theres some good photos of Georgian tanks parked under a Statue of Stalin in Gori, he was born there and probably had his first arrest there for robbing banks and molesting goats and however else he filled in his time. So was Lavrenti Beria the head of the NKVD (later the KGB) one of the worlds grade A scary people and a notorious paedophile, basically when the KGB came for your daughter you let them or your whole family ended up digging salt in Siberia. Russians seem to have mixed feelings on Stalin, rather along the lines of 'he was a mad b*stard but he made the country great' and they want the glory days of Communist power back. With money and DVD players and the cool capitalist stuff of course and none of the Gulags except for people who really deserve it. __________________ “A wise man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation.” Moliere "You do the unseemly behavior, I'll handle the moderation" - Nemo

08-14-2008, 03:37 PM	#113
Nemowork Whats a safety catch? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mobilis in Mobilii Posts: 24,639 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	So is this a suggestion of a Mickey Mouse government? __________________ “A wise man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation.” Moliere "You do the unseemly behavior, I'll handle the moderation" - Nemo

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