British Justice System...........what a joke

[Meursault]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

That's a good point. I think the other natural filter is that the "congenitally violent" people get themselves killed very quickly. Very hard to find a knucklehead whose been successfully picking fights for thirty years-- and yet has stayed out of prison or the grave.

When you think about it, the only middle-aged guys with the violence patterns of teen-agers are movie mafiosos. Tony Soprano is a 40-something guy, with a 20-something violence habit. . . its a wonder that he's still alive. Reading about the lives of real mafiosi, the ones who do manage to stay alive have to take elaborate precautions, every day of their lives.

I suppose the brutal fellers who stay alive long enough will either start using minions at some point and only attend to the special clients themseleves, or they are so good they can go on for ages.

[skyblue]

Originally Posted by treesmoke

The money is the real problem. Not just building more prisons and the fact that if you run out of room you have no place to put the DUI's and drug dealers for their time in prison.

easy........with sky high fuel prices more cash is being made out of taxes.....put it to good use........build more prisons and young offenders institutions.......only build them on remote scottish islands where it gets extremely cold in the winter

[Tank]

Originally Posted by skyblue

easy........with sky high fuel prices more cash is being made out of taxes.....put it to good use........build more prisons and young offenders institutions.......only build them on remote scottish islands where it gets extremely cold in the winter

im all for that! or even these floating prisons they keep going on about, great escaping detterent is drowning!!

[treesmoke]

Has the EU ever considered sending prisoners to other countries, like Russia or Africa to serve their time, rewarding the country that holds them with rent. And i am not talking deporting.

Also if you are violent or hang around violent people some one is likely to kill you before you hit the your 40's. Plus most people that are truly violent have other issues like drug problems.

[skyblue]

Originally Posted by treesmoke

Has the EU ever considered sending prisoners to other countries, like Russia or Africa to serve their time, rewarding the country that holds them with rent. And i am not talking deporting.

Also if you are violent or hang around violent people some one is likely to kill you before you hit the your 40's. Plus most people that are truly violent have other issues like drug problems.

sweet idea......5 years in siberia would put most off doing violent crime

[Tank]

Originally Posted by skyblue

sweet idea......5 years in siberia would put most off doing violent crime

that will never happen, too much human rights bollocks involved!

[chainsoar]

Originally Posted by Tank

What i want to know is why Life doesnt mean Life, i remember when i was young life sentences carried a minimum of 25 years

So it never meant life then. Amazing how you managed to make a point and then destroy the validity of it in one swift sentence.

[Tank]

Originally Posted by chainsoar

So it never meant life then. Amazing how you managed to make a point and then destroy the validity of it in one swift sentence.

it was because more often they slapped that on there so they could apply for parole after 25 yrs, but back then they were usually refused so they died in prison. so it did mean life.

the point of that sentence was to highlight the fact that it was a minimum of 25 yrs and not 10yrs or whatever pissy little amount they get these days.

i believe most who had a life sentence did end up dying in prison.

[chainsoar]

You referred to a couple of cases in your first post, one of which you said bugged you because the convict could be out in under 15 years. OK, so this means he could be free when he's 35. However, you have to understand that he will probably be a grey, dull, lifeless 35. Prison sucks the life out of a man. I hear people these days complaining that prisons are too soft. What, 11 hours a day locked in a cage is soft? Do the people complaining truly think they could deal with that prospect easily? Of course they have activities for prisoners, football games and so on. The reason they do is because you cannot, I repeat cannot, deprive a man of a little fresh air, sunlight and exercise every now and then. This is not a question of human rights laws, this is merely a question of human decency. What makes you better than the criminal if you torture him by depriving him of such basic rights?

To return to the main point, another thing that you have to understand is that the British courts are being overwhelmed by a crime wave the likes of which it has not seen for a long, long time. I would venture the possibility that nobody currently in the legal profession in the UK has ever seen anything like it in their entire careers, some of those careers spanning 40 years or more. They are overwhelmed, overworked, and suddenly every bloke on the street is a critic. Who are any of us to criticise these people who work so hard to maintain law and order in a just and fair manner? Could we do their jobs? I sure as hell couldn't.

[Tank]

Chanisoar, i dont argue that prison is a hard place to be for most, what im asking is how in the eyes of the law can a man as guilty as sin with all the evidence pointing at him and even a boast from him that he did it, be only be given 15yrs minimum. yes he will spend a long time in prison but during that time he will have anything and everything he needs provided for him. Prisoners get a better deal than a Homless person. 3 square meals a day, TV, roof over their head e.t.c

Health care is another thing, they get ill and are seen imideatly, i get ill and have to wait 3 days before i can even see a doctor. i have to wait almost a month to see a dentist unless its an emergency!!

see this report. might be a little jumped up by the media but you get the point.

He also complained that prisoners were receiving a “wage”: “They receive a bed, a TV in all cells, breakfast in bed on many occasions, cash bonuses for good behaviour, and prison staff are forced to deal with them in such a subservient way it’s ridiculous.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3811148.ece

one of your points is that he has to be locked up for 11 hours a day, yes this is a huge chunk of the day but as the saying goes "cant do the time, dont do the crime". most people spend 8hrs a day in a 6x6 cubicle with only an hours break a day and no one complains about their human rights because as most will tell you they chose the job so have to put up with the downsides. i dont see it as any difference between prisoners, they chose to comit the crime so have to accept the concequences.

your other point refers to the fact that the recent crime wave sweeping britain hasnt been seen for a long time, true it may be but i dont agree with your point that the system cant cope, i imagine the basic rules of the law have hardly changed since they were written, most of the top Judges have been arround for a long time, long enough to remember the way it was back in the 50's & 60's when punishment was more severe, so i ask why now do they give out piss poor sentances??

As far as legal proffesionals being overworked is bull, try being a nurse, i have been in a position in the last 2 months to watch how they work every day, night and day. i ask you to spend a week doing what they do or if you get the chance just to observe them for a week and im sure you will see what overworked and overwhelmed really means! as for solicitors dont they put in normal office hours? i know they get paid very hansomly for their work win or loose so i doubt it makes a blind bit of difference to them if the guilty party get sent down, they still pick up a nice cheque at the end. Nurses on the other hand put in crazy amount of hours, my brother spent 2 weeks in intensive care recently and in the time i spent there i got chatty to a nurse who quite often worked 16+hr days because they were short staffed ( this i find crazy because these people are in charge of others lives, and any mistake due to lack of concentration/tiredness can have tragic consequences!), yet they will still probably only take home in one year what some lawyers can expect from one case!! wheres the justice in that??

I know i have gone off on one about nurses getting a bum deal in that last bit but i feel it is relevant to my argument.

also this isnt meant as a rant at you, but merely they points you have raised, sorry for the late reply but ive been otherwise occupied over the weekend.

[Lee Is Bob]

Originally Posted by treesmoke

Has the EU ever considered sending prisoners to other countries, like Russia or Africa to serve their time, rewarding the country that holds them with rent. And i am not talking deporting.

Also if you are violent or hang around violent people some one is likely to kill you before you hit the your 40's. Plus most people that are truly violent have other issues like drug problems.

We did that already

It's Called Australia

[Tank]

Originally Posted by Lee Is Bob

We did that already

It's Called Australia

ooooo wait till all the Ausies get a glimpse of this

LiB is in for a world of pain methinks!!!

[Lee Is Bob]

Originally Posted by Tank

ooooo wait till all the Ausies get a glimpse of this

LiB is in for a world of pain methinks!!!

It's true tho



*Hides under a blanket

[Harpoon]

It is true... Whats the big deal?

[Tank]

Originally Posted by Harpoon

It is true... Whats the big deal?

they dont like it!