Racism in America will NEVER die. White people, you win...

[Tinysmasher]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Its also interesting that black men are far more likely to have a white wife, than white men are to have a black wife. . . the latter is very infrequent.

This could have some amusing speculation on reasons why

[wizzo]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

You mean you want to inject something as ordinary as "facts" into this discussion?



I clipped this chart from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage
and its based on US Census information at:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...m/cps2006.html

What does this data tell us? Well Black husbands are about 15 times as likely to have a black wife as they are to have a white wife (286,000 with white wife, vs just under 4 million with a black wife)

So if Will Smith makes 15 movies, and in 14 he had a black wife and in one he had a white wife, that would accurately reflect demographic reality. Its also interesting that black men are far more likely to have a white wife, than white men are to have a black wife. . . the latter is very infrequent.

Check my math on this, but that table indicates that black men married to white women make up less than half a percent of marriages in the U.S.. Of course, that table doesn't talk about dating or any relationship less than marriage, but it's informative as far as it goes.

[timertwelve]

what pops into my head is a bit from Scary Movie after the first murder "This is black man reporting for Black TV - white people dead...we're getting the fuck out of here!"

the whole black/white thing bites its own tail - youve got the argument about black guys in movies always fitting a stereotype then you go and get someone like 50 cent or DMX (who has been arrested like 6 times in a month) personifying that stereotype andyet somehow becoming a role model for both black and white kids then you get a white guy like Sascha Baron Cohen doing his Ali G thing, taking the piss out of the stereotype and using it as a big looking glass only to have the 'yoof' of today (or yesterday considering that Ali G is old news...) idolizing him and the political correctness machine letting him get away with crazy shit because he is supposed to be 'black' !


and dont even get me started on white guys pretending to be black...if white people and black people have a single reason in the world to put aside their prejudice and band together in unison to fight a common enemy its WIGGERS! talk about a global disaster - what the fuck are they? Confused? Stupid? Or is it a big joke and its just a matter of time before we get the punchline? what a sorry bunch.

...i do also have a view on Hancock, but I cant really say anything without spoilerizing the movie...but i do think shotgun kinda read into it too much, but then again, its middle america aint it...they got their finger on all the buttons, inclduing the one for the 'bomb'...god help us.

[IFBear]

I just got back from seeing Hancock and I don't know whether to thank Shotgun or kick him in the balls. This damn thread kept drifting through my mind throughout the entire movie I think you took a possible message, albeit a very obscure and the most negative view possible, and ran with it. I wonder if you can look at it a different way.

Spoilers below...so don't get pissed at me if you highlight them....and try not to quote ffs!!

So on one side you have Hancock who was portrayed perfectly by Will Smith. (No one but Will Smith could have pulled this off. The only white guy that could have possibly succeeded with this type of character would have been Kevin Spacey) On the other you have Mary, acted by Charlize Theron.
Black man...White woman. Both are gods/immortals who were created as a pair.


Main Entry: PAIR

Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural pairs or pair
Etymology:
Middle English paire, from Anglo-French, from Latin paria equal things, from neuter plural of par equal
Date:
14th century

1 a (1): two corresponding things designed for use together <a pair of shoes> (2): two corresponding bodily parts or members <a pair of hands> b: something made up of two corresponding pieces <a pair of trousers>2 a: two similar or associated things: as (1): two mated animals (2): a couple in love, engaged, or married <were a devoted pair> .....

Blessed with immortality when they are separated yet doomed to live an immortal life unless they were together. The story made a point to show that they had struggled in the past living together, and while it was not stated it was at least implied that race had something to do with it. Yet she still loved him through all of it. Sure she chose a life with a white man after that, but if you were forced to spend your life apart from the one that you loved and were meant for, would you want to be constantly reminded of then at all. Bateman's character was pretty much the exact opposite of Smith's.

So at the end, for the greater good of humanity they must part, and I suppose this is where Shotgun's point of view could be valid. Of course you would have to look specifically for a racial situation instead of just a plain tragedy. Hancock is a hero because of his personal sacrifice not because he made the white man more secure in his conservation of the white woman.

...and after all is said and done, this is a movie about a guy who can't be hurt and flies around and shit. It has little to do with reality

[MidlifeCrisis]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

You mean you want to inject something as ordinary as "facts" into this discussion?



I clipped this chart from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage
and its based on US Census information at:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...m/cps2006.html

What does this data tell us? Well Black husbands are about 15 times as likely to have a black wife as they are to have a white wife (286,000 with white wife, vs just under 4 million with a black wife)

So if Will Smith makes 15 movies, and in 14 he had a black wife and in one he had a white wife, that would accurately reflect demographic reality. Its also interesting that black men are far more likely to have a white wife, than white men are to have a black wife. . . the latter is very infrequent.

I'd love me some black women! I'll marry few handfuls if I have to increase that statistics.

[ptownstompin]

Originally Posted by Kozmik

White girlies? They nice people, definitely, but y'all can have em.

and i'll take em

seriously though, like most people here i think racism gets thrown around way too often. like someone previously said, its a lot more subtle now and not bluntly shown very often, but that doesnt mean that everything that could possibly be racist is. personally i think that biases against people of different economic standings and different age groups are way more common than those because of race

[treesmoke]

I am sure that race plays a small role in the production of Major and small movie production. Sure that the political situation plays a small role too. I am positive that the idea of a black guy playing this or that role is tested and if it is not popular then they are not going to use them.

But there are other things involve as well. How attractive that actor is, if he is a good actor, does he fit the role, would he take if, is he working, ect... And if it is about brothers or a family once you decide that one of the members are going to be white or what ever they cant have Wesly Snipes.

How will the actors treat each other, from what i heard i dont think that it would be a good idea to have Russell Crow and Snipes together on the same set, and it wouldnt be a believable movie if their characters were brothers.

I mean how many black actors are there, how many of them are good and are considered good and attractive. Compare it to the number of american whites male actors. And how many movies have race neutral roles in them.

Look at it this way how many redheads are their in leading roles.

And part of the reason that Will Smith looses some of the roles is partly cause of his rep with blacks. And part of the reason why their are few interracial movies is partly to do with how it test with black woman. Denzal Washington suffered cause he gave some people the impression he would never kiss a white woman on screen or never play a gangster. I dont think he ever actually said that, he might something close to that.


If the opinion is popular that Will Smith is not some sort of a trader then that will make one less actor that is popular that will could be in a leading role.

Their is a segment that think that when Black actors get a leading role in a movie they shouldn't have a white actress acting across from them cause they could request a black actress which are even more rare.

When ever an enstuition doesn't do exactly what you want them too with your gripe then they are too liberal, or racist or sexist or homophobic this or that. Hollywood is not trying to represent different groups or make statements they are trying to make a product that the most people will like and not find controversial.

There is never going to be a major movie with woman over 40, or gay or lesbian leading roles, or very unattractive actors in it either. That is just the way it is. It is not that they are against these peeps, there is just allot of factors that make it almost impossible to break even on a major movie like that.

[Calavera]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_negro
No one has mentioned the "Magic Negro" scenario in american cinema. Its the benign, nonviolent, friendly black male supporting cast member helping the white male lead find his inner self or leading him in the right direction in life.

I disagree with the wiki as far as American History X is concerned, that was not the magic negro scenario nor is Snoop Dogg the rapper. One film that is missing is Shawshank Redemption.

[Nemowork]

Erm, that film was spectacularly short of women, especially any white women married to Morgan Freeman.

[Calavera]

This is not about white women rather how black males in a supporting role are potrayed in american cinema. Its a repeating scenario in films such as the green mile, bagger vance and the matrix.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/49/49_magic.html

Edit: Let me state I'm neither for or against the magic negro scenario, its only a observation. Its very unique and rather peculiar. Its not noticible at first although this is hollywood and they do tend to repeat the storylines frequently over the years.

[treesmoke]

Blacks also dying allot in movies either to cause a change in the leading character's view on things or to sacrifice them selves for the greater good. the first Jarissic Park, black buy died during the credits.

[AnthemZ]

Another funny fact, Morgan Freeman's roll in the Shawshank Redemption was a red head white man! They casted a black man in the roll, and adjusted the script, (Red) Redding! And when the guy asked him, he said he was Irish as a joke!

The same went for Snipes in Rising Sun, that was a white detective in the book and script. In both cases, Hollywood went out of their way to put in a black actor.

Damn that racism!!

[AnthemZ]

Originally Posted by treesmoke

Blacks also dying allot in movies either to cause a change in the leading character's view on things or to sacrifice them selves for the greater good. the first Jarissic Park, black buy died during the credits.

But in the other direction, there are no black criminals anymore! In the Spiderman and Batman movies, ALL the street thugs, muggers and gang members are white with a few Asians thrown in! Go figure??

[PorkChopSandwiches]

What about soul man

[Wyeast]

I think it's that Hollywood refrains from interracial relations in general. With two exceptions.

1) White man conquers all. Whether the woman is black, white, latino, or a green alien from space.

2) White women occasionally get to score a latin lover. Desi Arnaz, you pioneer, you. But this does not happen that often, relatively speaking.

Beyond that, you just don't see it that often. Whether it's that Hollywood is merely catering to the public's perceptions, or if they are in fact guilty of actively propogating those stereotypes is hard to say. I think it's a little bit of both, although most of it frankly is the former. Interracial marriages apparently still aren't that common. From the wiki, referring to US census data from 2006:

Based on these statistics:

* Whites are the least likely to marry interracially, although in absolute terms whites are involved in interracial marriages more than any other racial group. 1.9% of married white women and 2.2% of married white men have a non-white spouse. 1.0% of married white men are married to an Asian woman, and 1.0% of married white women are married to a man classified as "other".
* 3.7% of married black women and 8.4% of married black men have a non-black spouse. 6.6% of married black men, and 2.8% of married black women, have a white spouse. Only 0.1% of married black women are married to an Asian man, representing the least represented marital combination.
* 19.5% of married Asian women and 7.2% of married Asian men have a non-Asian spouse. 17.1% of married Asian women are married to a white spouse, and 3.5% of married Asian men have a spouse woman classified as "other".
* There is a notable disparity in the rates of exogamy by Asian males and females. Only 25% of Asian/white marriages involve an Asian male and white female, and only 15% Asian/black marriages involve an Asian male and a black female.

Tho' there's a case to be made that while Black Man/White Woman outnumbers White Man/Black Women over 2:1, that proportion is not even closely reflected in popular media. Then again, I'm struggling to come up with more than a handful of asian roles that did not involve the character as some kind of Hong Kong cop or otherwise well versed in martial arts.