Bbc Shunned Me For Denying Climate Change

AnthemZ · 11-06-2008, 12:45 AM

BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE

INTERVIEW BY HELEN DOWD
Wednesday November 5,2008

FOR YEARS David Bellamy was one of the best known faces on TV.

A respected botanist and the author of 35 books, he had presented around 400 programmes over the years and was appreciated by audiences for his boundless enthusiasm.

Yet for more than 10 years he has been out of the limelight, shunned by bosses at the BBC where he made his name, as well as fellow scientists and environmentalists.

His crime? Bellamy says he doesn’t believe in man-made global warming.

Here he reveals why – and the price he has paid for not toeing the orthodox line on climate change.

"When I first stuck my head above the parapet to say I didn’t believe what we were being told about global warming I had no idea what the consequences would be.

I am a scientist and I have to spamfollow the directions of science but when I see that the truth is being covered up I have to voice my spamopinions.

According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that?

The sad fact is that since I said I didn’t believe human beings caused global warming I’ve not been allowed to make a TV programme.

My absence has been noticed, because wherever I go I meet people who say: “I grew up with you on the television, where are you now?”

It was in 1996 that I criticised wind farms while appearing on Blue Peter and I also had an article published in which I described global warming as poppycock.

The truth is, I didn’t think wind farms were an effective means of alternative energy so I said so. Back then, at the BBC you had to toe the line and I wasn’t doing that.

At that point I was still making loads of television programmes and I was enjoying it greatly. Then I suddenly found I was sending in ideas for TV shows and they weren’t getting taken up. I’ve asked around about why I’ve been ignored but I found that people didn’t get back to me.

CAMPAIGNER: Bellamy says we must stop destroying tropical rainforests
At the beginning of this year there was a BBC show with four experts saying: “This is going to be the end of all the ice in the Arctic,” and hypothesising that it was going to be the hottest summer ever. Was it hell! It was very cold and very wet and now we’ve seen evidence that the glaciers in Alaska have started growing rapidly – and they’ve not grown for a long time.

I’ve seen evidence, which I believe, that says there has not been a rise in global temperature since 1998, despite the increase in carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere. This makes me think the global warmers are telling lies – carbon dioxide is not the driver.

The idiot fringe have accused me of being like a Holocaust denier, which is ludicrous. Climate change is all about cycles, it’s a natural thing and has always happened. When the Romans lived in Britain they were growing very good red grapes and making wine on the borders of Scotland. It was evidently a lot warmer.

If you were sitting next to me 10,000 years ago we’d be under ice. So thank God for global warming for ending that ice age; we wouldn’t be here otherwise.

People such as former American Vice-President Al Gore say that millions of us will die because of global warming – which I think is a pretty stupid thing to say if you’ve got no proof.

And my opinion is that there is absolutely no proof that carbon dioxide is anything to do with any impending catastrophe. The spamscience has, quite simply, gone awry. In fact, it’s not even science any more, it’s anti-science.

There’s no proof, it’s just projections and if you look at the models people such as Gore use, you can see they cherry pick the ones that support their beliefs.

To date, the way the so-called Greens and the BBC, the Royal Society and even our political parties have handled this smacks of McCarthyism at its worst.

Global warming is part of a natural cycle and there’s nothing we can actually do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn’t actually exist.

And how were we convinced that this problem exists, even though all the evidence from measurements goes against the fact? God knows. Yes, the lakes in Africa are drying up. But that’s not global warming. They’re drying up for the very spamsimple reason that most of them have dams around them.

So the water that used to be used by local people is now used in the production of cut flowers and vegetspamables for the supermarkets of Europe.

One of Al Gore’s biggest clangers was saying that the Aral Sea in Uzbekistan was drying up because of global warming. Well, everyone knows, because it was all over the news 20 years ago, that the Russians were growing cotton there at the time and that for every ton of cotton you produce you use a vast amount of water.

The thing that annoys me most is that there are genuine environmental problems that desperately require attention. I’m still an environmentalist, I’m still a Green and I’m still campaigning to stop the destruction of the biodiversity of the world. But money will be wasted on trying to solve this global warming “problem” that I would much rather was used for looking after the people of the world.

Being ignored by the likes of the BBC does not really bother me, not when there are much bigger problems at stake.
I might not be on TV any more but I still go around the world campaigning about these important issues. For example, we must stop the destspamrucspamtion of tropspamical rainforests, something I’ve been saying for 35 years.

Mother nature will balance things out but not if we interfere by destroying rainforests and overfishing the seas.
That is where the real environmental catastrophe could occur.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/69623

marquis · 11-06-2008, 09:09 AM

Yes , climate change has become the new religion and disbelievers are treated like heretics.There has been a tacit recognition of the recent cooling phase because the expression "global warming" has been replaced by "climate change"
Truth is that governments have locked on to it as a means of raising taxes."It's for your own good" is the barefaced excuse.

Legmann · 11-06-2008, 09:25 AM

That pretty well sums it up.

Tinysmasher · 11-06-2008, 05:01 PM

It's not only disbelievers treated like heretics.

It's anyone who says "hey wait a minute, this is still theory, how about we actually figure out wtf is going on before we make drastic changes".

They tar and feather the moderates too.

Sertes · 11-06-2008, 05:33 PM

@Anthemz
I saw many posts from you about this issue; are you telling us that climate change is a world wide conspiracy?

Legmann · 11-06-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sertes

@Anthemz
I saw many posts from you about this issue; are you telling us that climate change is a world wide conspiracy?

Not a conspiracy, just one man. I saw this documentary where Superman and the Flash battled a villian called the Weather Wizard, who controls the world's climate with a "weather wand."

It's scary to think of so much power in the hands of one man.

drew peacock · 11-07-2008, 08:32 PM

Good on yer David, I grew up with the fella on telly in the early 80s, he should know that opinions aren't allowed at the BBC

chainsoar · 11-07-2008, 08:38 PM

I wondered what the hell happened to him. I miss him. I think I heard his voice on one of those recent Ribena adverts, but aside from that, nothing. Fuckin' BBC.

Kurgan · 11-07-2008, 09:02 PM

Yeah, i always wondered what happened to him too....

lost in melb. · 11-08-2008, 04:13 PM

Everyone's entitled to their opinions - but let's face it, he's a botanist.

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According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that?

Huh?

Btw I don't approve of the BBS letting him go because of his opinions - although that's his assertion.

marquis · 11-08-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lost in melb.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions - but let's face it, he's a botanist.

Huh?

Btw I don't approve of the BBS letting him go because of his opinions - although that's his assertion.

Actually he's more of a scientist than the "climatologists" which he disagrees with.He asks for proof , for critical experiments and for working models to support theories.He feels as I do that these have not been forthcoming.As he said,well documented,since 1998 the planet has cooled a little ;whatever the reason it's not because mankind has turned off the power.

wizzo · 11-09-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthemZ

BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE

According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost in melb.

Huh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

Quote:

Originally Posted by marquis

Yes , climate change has become the new religion and disbelievers are treated like heretics. There has been a tacit recognition of the recent cooling phase because the expression "global warming" has been replaced by "climate change."

It's amazing that a dedicated Green scientist would be shunned because he's trying to point out a problem that he believes is more pressing. Science isn't supposed to be a faith-based religion. It's supposed to be based on observable data. If there's data to support his position, then why not make it part of the discussion? Oh, wait...

Quote:

Originally Posted by marquis

Truth is that governments have locked on to it as a means of raising taxes. "It's for your own good" is the barefaced excuse.

...nevermind.

lost in melb. · 11-10-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wizzo

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Originally Posted by AnthemZ View Post
BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE

According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that?

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Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post

Huh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

My point exactly - there is nothing in the paper about global temperatures decreasing in every year since 1998. On the contrary from that article: The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

In other words the claims are complete poppy-cock.

marquis · 11-10-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lost in melb.

My point exactly - there is nothing in the paper about global temperatures decreasing in every year since 1998. On the contrary from that article: The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

In other words the claims are complete poppy-cock.

There is plenty on record about the fall since 1998, sometimes blamed on El Nino. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../09/do0907.xml
But as records only go back for a very short time in geological terms . and accurate ones even less such a claim doesn't mean much anyway.It's firmly established that the planet is still cooler than 1000 years ago and 2000 years ago as Bellamy says there were grapes growing well in the North of England.

Tinysmasher · 11-10-2008, 09:06 AM

I'm not quite ready to say the claims are poppycock. I think there is a lot of unknowns and questions we simply can't answer. Since we only have one environment, we should definitely take seriously issues related to it. What we shouldn't do is say "how high" every time some desperate political has-been tries to stay relevant with a factually ridiculous scare movie says jump.

11-06-2008, 12:45 AM	#1
AnthemZ Waiting For My Handout! Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,340 Thanks: 7 Thanked 34 Times in 20 Posts	Bbc Shunned Me For Denying Climate Change BBC SHUNNED ME FOR DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE INTERVIEW BY HELEN DOWD Wednesday November 5,2008 FOR YEARS David Bellamy was one of the best known faces on TV. A respected botanist and the author of 35 books, he had presented around 400 programmes over the years and was appreciated by audiences for his boundless enthusiasm. Yet for more than 10 years he has been out of the limelight, shunned by bosses at the BBC where he made his name, as well as fellow scientists and environmentalists. His crime? Bellamy says he doesn’t believe in man-made global warming. Here he reveals why – and the price he has paid for not toeing the orthodox line on climate change. "When I first stuck my head above the parapet to say I didn’t believe what we were being told about global warming I had no idea what the consequences would be. I am a scientist and I have to spamfollow the directions of science but when I see that the truth is being covered up I have to voice my spamopinions. According to official data, in every year since 1998 world temperatures have been getting colder, and in 2002 Arctic ice actually increased. Why, then, do we not hear about that? The sad fact is that since I said I didn’t believe human beings caused global warming I’ve not been allowed to make a TV programme. My absence has been noticed, because wherever I go I meet people who say: “I grew up with you on the television, where are you now?” It was in 1996 that I criticised wind farms while appearing on Blue Peter and I also had an article published in which I described global warming as poppycock. The truth is, I didn’t think wind farms were an effective means of alternative energy so I said so. Back then, at the BBC you had to toe the line and I wasn’t doing that. At that point I was still making loads of television programmes and I was enjoying it greatly. Then I suddenly found I was sending in ideas for TV shows and they weren’t getting taken up. I’ve asked around about why I’ve been ignored but I found that people didn’t get back to me. CAMPAIGNER: Bellamy says we must stop destroying tropical rainforests At the beginning of this year there was a BBC show with four experts saying: “This is going to be the end of all the ice in the Arctic,” and hypothesising that it was going to be the hottest summer ever. Was it hell! It was very cold and very wet and now we’ve seen evidence that the glaciers in Alaska have started growing rapidly – and they’ve not grown for a long time. I’ve seen evidence, which I believe, that says there has not been a rise in global temperature since 1998, despite the increase in carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere. This makes me think the global warmers are telling lies – carbon dioxide is not the driver. The idiot fringe have accused me of being like a Holocaust denier, which is ludicrous. Climate change is all about cycles, it’s a natural thing and has always happened. When the Romans lived in Britain they were growing very good red grapes and making wine on the borders of Scotland. It was evidently a lot warmer. If you were sitting next to me 10,000 years ago we’d be under ice. So thank God for global warming for ending that ice age; we wouldn’t be here otherwise. People such as former American Vice-President Al Gore say that millions of us will die because of global warming – which I think is a pretty stupid thing to say if you’ve got no proof. And my opinion is that there is absolutely no proof that carbon dioxide is anything to do with any impending catastrophe. The spamscience has, quite simply, gone awry. In fact, it’s not even science any more, it’s anti-science. There’s no proof, it’s just projections and if you look at the models people such as Gore use, you can see they cherry pick the ones that support their beliefs. To date, the way the so-called Greens and the BBC, the Royal Society and even our political parties have handled this smacks of McCarthyism at its worst. Global warming is part of a natural cycle and there’s nothing we can actually do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn’t actually exist. And how were we convinced that this problem exists, even though all the evidence from measurements goes against the fact? God knows. Yes, the lakes in Africa are drying up. But that’s not global warming. They’re drying up for the very spamsimple reason that most of them have dams around them. So the water that used to be used by local people is now used in the production of cut flowers and vegetspamables for the supermarkets of Europe. One of Al Gore’s biggest clangers was saying that the Aral Sea in Uzbekistan was drying up because of global warming. Well, everyone knows, because it was all over the news 20 years ago, that the Russians were growing cotton there at the time and that for every ton of cotton you produce you use a vast amount of water. The thing that annoys me most is that there are genuine environmental problems that desperately require attention. I’m still an environmentalist, I’m still a Green and I’m still campaigning to stop the destruction of the biodiversity of the world. But money will be wasted on trying to solve this global warming “problem” that I would much rather was used for looking after the people of the world. Being ignored by the likes of the BBC does not really bother me, not when there are much bigger problems at stake. I might not be on TV any more but I still go around the world campaigning about these important issues. For example, we must stop the destspamrucspamtion of tropspamical rainforests, something I’ve been saying for 35 years. Mother nature will balance things out but not if we interfere by destroying rainforests and overfishing the seas. That is where the real environmental catastrophe could occur. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/69623 __________________ Sig by Teabelly!

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marquis Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,060 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes , climate change has become the new religion and disbelievers are treated like heretics.There has been a tacit recognition of the recent cooling phase because the expression "global warming" has been replaced by "climate change" Truth is that governments have locked on to it as a means of raising taxes."It's for your own good" is the barefaced excuse.

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Tinysmasher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 532 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's not only disbelievers treated like heretics. It's anyone who says "hey wait a minute, this is still theory, how about we actually figure out wtf is going on before we make drastic changes". They tar and feather the moderates too.

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11-10-2008, 09:06 AM	#15
Tinysmasher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 532 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not quite ready to say the claims are poppycock. I think there is a lot of unknowns and questions we simply can't answer. Since we only have one environment, we should definitely take seriously issues related to it. What we shouldn't do is say "how high" every time some desperate political has-been tries to stay relevant with a factually ridiculous scare movie says jump.